For 10 k I would want way more than just 1 language.
That would be considered cheap compared to the cost of, lets say two years of full immersion language school, and the two years of your time.
I’m not only learning Japanese for the sake of Japanese, but for the actual experience of learning in itself.
Sometimes, you need to learn how to learn.
Absolutely. I think for almost everyone here that would be worth it compared to the amount of time you need to invest to achieve fluency – might be only $1 an hour or less!
Define ‘give you 100% fluency’.
The problem with this is that the only way a chip could do that is to be capable of completely and totally changing your cognition i.e. by changing your very brain structure itself. Something like that touches upon the territory of changing who you are as a person. You couldn’t pay me a *million* dollars to let someone do that to me.
Now, if all you mean is a chip that translates everything for you, well, there are things that no automatic translation can adequately handle (first person pronoun variations, degrees of politeness, etc.) that mean that learning the language will still inevitably be better. And since a crutch that massive only slows down your learning, no, I wouldn’t pay 10k just to put an obstacle in my way.
So TL;DR: nope.
The process of learning a new language is good for your brain. So, no.
Idk 2000+ hours of learning for 10k? I think I made way worse deals.
Absolutely. When you consider man-hours spent learning the language and then assign a dollar amount to it, 10K is an absolute bargin.
Most definitely. I’d earn it back in a couple of months just from being able to translate faster and also into Japanese.
Assuming no other side effects. Yes.
That’s oddly specific, what are you cooking up now Musk??
no
because it’ll probably have “in-brain-advertisements”, and also a dumb subscription model and zap you if you don’t pay on time
Well think of it this way. It takes up to 5000 hours to reach N1 (not even counting 100% proficiency which in theory would take much much longer). Paying 10k to skip thousands of hours worth of work and effort is in my opinion pretty worth it if Japanese is something you need.
On the one hand I would, because it would allow me to consume all of the content I want immediately. On the other hand I wouldn’t, since I enjoy the learning process itself.
They’d have to pay me 5 million to install anything on my body.
I had this exact thought in my head last night which is kind of weird. I was thinking about how if only there was a way to instantly learn a language of your choosing through some type of chip. On the other hand, though, as with anything that takes lots of time and practice to learn, whether it be languages, coding languages, sports, instruments, etc. I think that most people would agree that the hard work and diligence that is put in throughout the years of learning a skill of your choice is what makes eventual proficiency so satisfying. Being able to think back on just how little you knew in the beginning, and even for the first year or two of delving into that new world compared to the point of proficiency is so satisfying. I am not even close to proficiency in japanese, but there are other things in life that I’ve done that have taken years and years to learn as well. I think the most satisfying thing is when you can’t see progress on a daily basis. Then one day, maybe a year in the future, you stop practicing and think back on how little you knew at the beginning and realize how far you have come.
Tl:dr
No, seeing your progress throughout the time you learn a new skill, in this case japanese, is very satisfying and one of the ultimate rewards.
Nah. I don’t study Japanese because of any opportunities it might give me, so it is not worth that much. I do it partly because it is fun to learn and partly because I believe it will be fun to be able to read those chicken scratches… and turns out that it really is at the level I am now at. It gives a sense of accomplishment that a chip cheating wouldn’t give.
I know all people have different budgets, but 10k is an absolute steal.
Someone just posted that they reached N1 level and calculated 5,000 hours of study time over a period of three years. Do you know how much that time is worth? Way more than 2 cents per hour!! With the opportunity cost saved you could invest in another awesome skill or series of skills.
Nah, if I had 10k of disposable income I’d rather spend it on trip to Japan for like 3 months, the process of learning the language is like half of the fun for me.
I would pay to enhance the rate at which I learn though, not sure how much I would pay, but I’d definitely consider it if it was an option. I’d probably pay like 200$ a year for like a 1.5x increase in speed, maybe up to 300$.
Easy investment as you can now get a job as a Japanese translator if need be.
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For 10 k I would want way more than just 1 language.
That would be considered cheap compared to the cost of, lets say two years of full immersion language school, and the two years of your time.
I’m not only learning Japanese for the sake of Japanese, but for the actual experience of learning in itself.
Sometimes, you need to learn how to learn.
Absolutely. I think for almost everyone here that would be worth it compared to the amount of time you need to invest to achieve fluency – might be only $1 an hour or less!
Define ‘give you 100% fluency’.
The problem with this is that the only way a chip could do that is to be capable of completely and totally changing your cognition i.e. by changing your very brain structure itself. Something like that touches upon the territory of changing who you are as a person. You couldn’t pay me a *million* dollars to let someone do that to me.
Now, if all you mean is a chip that translates everything for you, well, there are things that no automatic translation can adequately handle (first person pronoun variations, degrees of politeness, etc.) that mean that learning the language will still inevitably be better. And since a crutch that massive only slows down your learning, no, I wouldn’t pay 10k just to put an obstacle in my way.
So TL;DR: nope.
The process of learning a new language is good for your brain. So, no.
Idk 2000+ hours of learning for 10k? I think I made way worse deals.
Absolutely. When you consider man-hours spent learning the language and then assign a dollar amount to it, 10K is an absolute bargin.
Most definitely. I’d earn it back in a couple of months just from being able to translate faster and also into Japanese.
Assuming no other side effects. Yes.
That’s oddly specific, what are you cooking up now Musk??
no
because it’ll probably have “in-brain-advertisements”, and also a dumb subscription model and zap you if you don’t pay on time
Well think of it this way. It takes up to 5000 hours to reach N1 (not even counting 100% proficiency which in theory would take much much longer). Paying 10k to skip thousands of hours worth of work and effort is in my opinion pretty worth it if Japanese is something you need.
On the one hand I would, because it would allow me to consume all of the content I want immediately. On the other hand I wouldn’t, since I enjoy the learning process itself.
They’d have to pay me 5 million to install anything on my body.
I had this exact thought in my head last night which is kind of weird. I was thinking about how if only there was a way to instantly learn a language of your choosing through some type of chip. On the other hand, though, as with anything that takes lots of time and practice to learn, whether it be languages, coding languages, sports, instruments, etc. I think that most people would agree that the hard work and diligence that is put in throughout the years of learning a skill of your choice is what makes eventual proficiency so satisfying. Being able to think back on just how little you knew in the beginning, and even for the first year or two of delving into that new world compared to the point of proficiency is so satisfying. I am not even close to proficiency in japanese, but there are other things in life that I’ve done that have taken years and years to learn as well. I think the most satisfying thing is when you can’t see progress on a daily basis. Then one day, maybe a year in the future, you stop practicing and think back on how little you knew at the beginning and realize how far you have come.
Tl:dr
No, seeing your progress throughout the time you learn a new skill, in this case japanese, is very satisfying and one of the ultimate rewards.
Nah. I don’t study Japanese because of any opportunities it might give me, so it is not worth that much. I do it partly because it is fun to learn and partly because I believe it will be fun to be able to read those chicken scratches… and turns out that it really is at the level I am now at. It gives a sense of accomplishment that a chip cheating wouldn’t give.
I know all people have different budgets, but 10k is an absolute steal.
Someone just posted that they reached N1 level and calculated 5,000 hours of study time over a period of three years. Do you know how much that time is worth? Way more than 2 cents per hour!! With the opportunity cost saved you could invest in another awesome skill or series of skills.
Nah, if I had 10k of disposable income I’d rather spend it on trip to Japan for like 3 months, the process of learning the language is like half of the fun for me.
I would pay to enhance the rate at which I learn though, not sure how much I would pay, but I’d definitely consider it if it was an option.
I’d probably pay like 200$ a year for like a 1.5x increase in speed, maybe up to 300$.
Easy investment as you can now get a job as a Japanese translator if need be.