In another post, someone mentioned getting fined 10,000 for not returning a textbook. Have you had any reasonable or unreasonable deductions for being late or other things?
Never worked at any company with deductions. I have seen employees fired or not re-contracted. I remember one company gave me a monthly bonus for attendance.
It’s illegal. If you see that, leave your company immediately.
When I worked at one of the bigger Eikaiwas, they had two contract options. When we started training we didn’t know there were two options, only after the 2 weeks were finished they gave us like 30 mins to consider one of the options or quit. One was an employee contract, you got the paid time off and their selling point was they filed taxes for you as a way to scare people into taking it but the trade off was you gave up the plane ticket reimbursement you’re promised when applying. They also didn’t provide shakaihoken. The second option was their independent contractor contract that was basically the employee contract with all the work restrictions/ non-compete stipulations but all the benefits removed, had slightly higher pay, and you’d get your plane ticket reimbursement. But you had to pay for their “training” and pay to use their school supplies so room, books, flash cards etc. They also used the whole fear of filling taxes by yourself to discourage people from taking this contract I think mainly to avoid paying the plane ticket back.
RCS Corporation has this kind of crap. They call it Perfect Attendance Bonus about 1万円, plus that days work. They basically will take your money any chance they have. I worked for them over 5 years ago. I found a new job and I told them I would consider staying if they started acting like a real company. I was lying. I wasn’t going to stay. I know when a lost cause is a lost cause.
Closest thing at my place is if your ‘lateness’ within a month accumulated to over 15mins in total you get deducted like half a day’s pay or something.
But it’s never happened mostly because nobody ever gets in late and those than do our admin guy just goes in and changes our clock in time so we’re not ‘late’ anyway lmao
Worked at a chain about 7-8years ago. They offered two contract options (employee and independent). If you were a second late on the employee contract you lost about 30,000yen. If you were a second late on the independent contract you lost about 30,000yen plus an additional 20,000yen per lesson you missed.
One dude I worked with had something come up when he first started and couldn’t show up. Missed 8 lessons. All in all he had to pay them about 200,000. It was like his 3rd day at the company and as they usually pay you a month later, they couldn’t strangle his paycheck. When they told him that’s how much they were going to take out of his next pay he just laughed and walked out.
A few months later at the same company the train I usually took came 5 minutes late (I always cut it fine back then). If the train is over 10 minutes late, the station hands out late slips but not for 5. Called the school and told them I was going to get there at 13:03 and my first lesson was supposed to start at 13:00.
Ran and got there at 13:02. No student. Student got to the school late around 13:10 and then we started our lesson.
Staff still wrote me up for being late. Minus 30,000yen. Think I quit a month or 2 after.
Worked at an eikaiwa chain that would (at least used to when I worked there 2 years ago) take out ¥2500 per hour from you salary when you took a sick day.
We didn’t make ¥2500 per hour … Nor did we have PTO to use. Yes, we were full time employees. Not sure if the situation has changed now but that was my experience anyway.
Illegal. They cannot make you pay an agreed amount for violation of contract or for damages.
A company I worked for once threatened to bill me when I broke something by accident. I told them I wouldn’t pay it. They gave up.
If you fuck up and they lose money, that should be written off in their losses. Of course, I imagine a lot of them commit tax fraud by putting things as losses and pocketing money from their scared employees.
If they really want their money, they should try to get it through the courts (Good fucking luck. Enjoy spending hundreds of thousands to millions of yen to get a few man out of me). Fortunately, most of them are absolute cowards.
I passed an interview with a well known kids eikaiwa (one of those with cartoon character materials) and I noped out when I saw the contract. Their selling point was “10 weeks paid vacation” when in reality they were paying you per hour and then dividing those hours into monthly wages, but the reason I really noped out is because they tried tricking me into signing an independent contractor contract, paid no Shakai Hoken and you had to pay a deposit to borrow some books you were not even going to use in class and from what I was told from other ex-employees they always tried to not pay you that deposit back with various excuses (I think it was also a kind of expensive deposit, like 60.000 or 80.000¥ that they would deduct from your salary)
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Never worked at any company with deductions. I have seen employees fired or not re-contracted. I remember one company gave me a monthly bonus for attendance.
It’s illegal. If you see that, leave your company immediately.
In another post on another subreddit –
https://old.reddit.com/r/ALTinginJapan/comments/ya1tqj/dispatch_company_deductions/
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When I worked at one of the bigger Eikaiwas, they had two contract options. When we started training we didn’t know there were two options, only after the 2 weeks were finished they gave us like 30 mins to consider one of the options or quit. One was an employee contract, you got the paid time off and their selling point was they filed taxes for you as a way to scare people into taking it but the trade off was you gave up the plane ticket reimbursement you’re promised when applying. They also didn’t provide shakaihoken. The second option was their independent contractor contract that was basically the employee contract with all the work restrictions/ non-compete stipulations but all the benefits removed, had slightly higher pay, and you’d get your plane ticket reimbursement. But you had to pay for their “training” and pay to use their school supplies so room, books, flash cards etc. They also used the whole fear of filling taxes by yourself to discourage people from taking this contract I think mainly to avoid paying the plane ticket back.
RCS Corporation has this kind of crap. They call it Perfect Attendance Bonus about 1万円, plus that days work. They basically will take your money any chance they have. I worked for them over 5 years ago. I found a new job and I told them I would consider staying if they started acting like a real company. I was lying. I wasn’t going to stay. I know when a lost cause is a lost cause.
Closest thing at my place is if your ‘lateness’ within a month accumulated to over 15mins in total you get deducted like half a day’s pay or something.
But it’s never happened mostly because nobody ever gets in late and those than do our admin guy just goes in and changes our clock in time so we’re not ‘late’ anyway lmao
Worked at a chain about 7-8years ago. They offered two contract options (employee and independent). If you were a second late on the employee contract you lost about 30,000yen. If you were a second late on the independent contract you lost about 30,000yen plus an additional 20,000yen per lesson you missed.
One dude I worked with had something come up when he first started and couldn’t show up. Missed 8 lessons. All in all he had to pay them about 200,000. It was like his 3rd day at the company and as they usually pay you a month later, they couldn’t strangle his paycheck. When they told him that’s how much they were going to take out of his next pay he just laughed and walked out.
A few months later at the same company the train I usually took came 5 minutes late (I always cut it fine back then). If the train is over 10 minutes late, the station hands out late slips but not for 5. Called the school and told them I was going to get there at 13:03 and my first lesson was supposed to start at 13:00.
Ran and got there at 13:02. No student. Student got to the school late around 13:10 and then we started our lesson.
Staff still wrote me up for being late. Minus 30,000yen. Think I quit a month or 2 after.
Worked at an eikaiwa chain that would (at least used to when I worked there 2 years ago) take out ¥2500 per hour from you salary when you took a sick day.
We didn’t make ¥2500 per hour …
Nor did we have PTO to use. Yes, we were full time employees. Not sure if the situation has changed now but that was my experience anyway.
Illegal. They cannot make you pay an agreed amount for violation of contract or for damages.
A company I worked for once threatened to bill me when I broke something by accident. I told them I wouldn’t pay it. They gave up.
If you fuck up and they lose money, that should be written off in their losses. Of course, I imagine a lot of them commit tax fraud by putting things as losses and pocketing money from their scared employees.
If they really want their money, they should try to get it through the courts (Good fucking luck. Enjoy spending hundreds of thousands to millions of yen to get a few man out of me). Fortunately, most of them are absolute cowards.
I passed an interview with a well known kids eikaiwa (one of those with cartoon character materials) and I noped out when I saw the contract. Their selling point was “10 weeks paid vacation” when in reality they were paying you per hour and then dividing those hours into monthly wages, but the reason I really noped out is because they tried tricking me into signing an independent contractor contract, paid no Shakai Hoken and you had to pay a deposit to borrow some books you were not even going to use in class and from what I was told from other ex-employees they always tried to not pay you that deposit back with various excuses (I think it was also a kind of expensive deposit, like 60.000 or 80.000¥ that they would deduct from your salary)