Wishing I won’t see nationalists’ idiotic response… By nationalists I mean those who say we’re entitled to choose our own way, we need women to give birth, it’s them who are choosing this, it’s a wrong measure, the system is actually unfair to men, etc.
It’s the WEF who have very Western orientated priorities, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. Or a lot of salt. Things like Japan consistently ranking one of the safest countries in the world for women or for women to travel alone to is irrelevant in their eyes. While there’s obviously inequality in Japan that needs to be worked on, giving any weight to this is a waste of your time.
What’s new?…
Is this really a surprise
I worked in a Japanese company with 4000+ employees. I don’t know the exact percentage of women there. If I have to guess, probably about 40% are women. Out of several hundred people who were in management positions, not a single woman made to manager and above.
Edit: Didn’t know the difference between woman and female in English until somebody pointed out. Googled it and learned something new today.
Do they rank behind the country that’s trying to take away a woman’s right to have an abortion?
If so, I question the legitimacy of said ranking.
For all the people claiming “this isn’t fair, it’s a different culture”
Pretty much all women here are taught from a very young age to suck it up and just be unhappy. It leads to neurosis and alot of issues.
I’ve lived here awhile. I know a decent amount of people. Alot of women here struggle immensely due to the dual “you need to start a family” but also it’s 2022 and they want to be able to have a job and career.
Even some of the friends I know who become housewives struggle with the notion they could be happily married. I don’t know the exact statistics behind Japanese marriages happening out of a sense of obligation but I suspect it’s a daunting number. It causes problems. The “idea” Japanese family unit is basically a housewife and a dad that’s literally never around. If Japan really is a conservative family value country then it needs to wake up and realize societal pressures are leading to broken and nonfunctional families.
Many people look at gender equality as something that men need to do to “let women in” but in the case of Japan where there’s no religious fundamentalism or extreme cultural stigma, I feel that it’s just as important for men to be “let in” to traditionally reserved for women in order to climb up this ranking.
Men are still expected to earn more, not take paternity leave, and in general be in line with “being a man” or「男らしさ」. You can’t have everyone just take on male roles like it’s somehow the “right” way.
Edit: I would like to hear from those who are downvoting me. I think Japan has already moved beyond basic equality, which is providing the same tools and opportunities, and needs to move on to true equality
Japan is an extremist, you’d expect education will boost pretty much everything else, but not here.
But but muh perfect anime land!!!1
Also, in before BUT WHATABOUT MURICA?!??
No kidding, so much for abe being pro women lol
I’ll never forget the only English speaker in the busy international bank was the only woman on a floor staff of about 30 people—and despite her handling the international accounts (the busiest person there), she was expected to keep the coffee/tea area clean and the beverages fresh.
While these rankings simplify things, I think this is pretty accurate.
Hardly surprising. Japan is insanely unequal, women are expected to do everything and then some and get no thanks or time off.
And they wonder why people are leaving and not wanting to have kids🤦♂️
For the few “but it’s hard for men too” comments on here, just think about it for a second. I’m not defending the idea but for the few areas where women are relegated to having any sort of power, do you really think they’ll be soft about it? Child custody, the interpreting career field, etc. If that’s your only corner you have, pretty sure most won’t be willing to let go of it.
So stop with that bull. There are exceptions to every situation but YOUR individual experience/situation is not the base model that everything else should work off of. I can’t believe this needs to still be explained to some people. Wait, I do actually. We’re all the heroes in our own story and all of that I guess.
wheres the actual list?
They also rank quite “high” (as in, a rather high double-digit position) on the Press Freedom Index…
Japan doesn’t deserve to be a G7 country. Start acting like it for god’s sake.
Can’t wait to hear white male redditors tell us why this is good, actually, and explain to the class that those pesky, scary “feminists” are an American invention so we shouldn’t impose Western morals on anime land.
>Appendix B
>Our aim is to focus on whether the gap between women and men in the chosen indicators has declined, rather than whether women are winning the so-called “battle of the sexes”. Hence, the index rewards countries that reach the point where outcomes for women equal those for men, but it neither rewards nor penalizes cases in which women are outperforming men in particular indicators in some countries. Thus, a country that has higher enrolment for girls rather than boys in secondary school will score equal to a country where boys’ and girls’ enrolment is the same.
Gender “equality” index
is anyone even surprised tbh
I’d love to live in a society where women in management and stay at home dads are equally possible and acceptable.
Hello. As far as I can see, there are options for women who are lucky enough to be educated in Tokyo and have a six college degree funded by their parents. They can choose to work, they can take maternity leave and have children because large companies often have better welfare than small companies. They can even become housewives on their husbands’ income, as they are often married to men with similar backgrounds and high incomes. But women who were born in rural areas to poor families and could not afford a high level of education are not given the option in the first place. They have no other ideas than to get married, work together, and have and raise children. Their way of life and the scope of their thinking are no different from those of the Edo period. There is a disparity even among women.
Used to be 120th. Progress I guess.
why are there so many neckbeards in /r/japan making apologies for this?
Japan is an incredibly patriarchal nation. What’s saddest though is the women just seem to shouganai everything. Why no riots or protests or anything?
Imagine taking the World Economic Forum seriously. They’re just anfry that Japan won’t regulate the doujin comic market.
Its funny because at the same time it is so easy to get rich as a woman here. I live here and my friends that work in cabaret club or girls bar just drinking and talking to clients earn big stacks you couldn’t even imagine that in EU or America. I have a friend that can go to work for 4h a night and earn all between 1-3000$ not counting presents or bonuses.
As much as there is said inequality, making money as a girl in Japan is super easy.
Source – living in Tokyo
So glad to not be born a Japanese woman. They have it really hard. Even I can sort of get their oppression as I am from a Latin American culture that is very machista but I prefer that over being born an Japanese woman..
Oh I remember the news when there were leaks about a highly regarded med school a few years back. They were prioritizing men who got lower scores even tho there where plenty of women who scored higher on the test. So don’t even talk about “they chose this” cause those women WANTED to become doctors but was denied simply because of their gender. And it is painful when most of my classmates in senior high put “housewives” in their future map thingy that we did even when they also put their dream jobs in, cause that’s “what women do”
Oddly enough, my family damn near hammers into us women that we are *not* to pour tea or do any “women-expected” tasks if we want the men to respect us,no matter what job we would go into. If we want change, we have to start it ourselves.
But there are a lot of women in Japan who want to be housewives. My friend, a Japanese woman, said she wants to marry a rich man as soon as she graduates from university, quit her job and become a full-time housewife. There are a lot of women in Japan who don’t want to work, so gender equality can never be achieved I think. And I think Japan is becoming a better place for women to work these days. The company I work for, the HR department is actively trying to hire women. Japan’s gender index is not rated highly in the West, but honestly, I don’t know what more is missing.
Except the WEF Gender gap report does not measure Gender gap, it only measures when women are behind and dismiss when they are ahead.
So it’s not a good report to talk about Gender equality…
Gender equality sounds great on the paper but since genders arent exactly equal it usually doesnt work. Overall males die earlier across the world they more likely to torture themself with physically and physiologically also overwork more. As long as women are happy there isn’t a problem if they are then yes something have to be done but straight equality idea wont work.
Looool
Isn’t this why we’re all here in Japan? The rampant, unchecked sexism?
Damn Even eswatini has a higher ranking than Japan? I know gender equality in Japan is not as good as western countries. But getting outranked by a Country where the king that has 15 wives and is allowed to pick a virgin bride every year?
Between biologically male and female ?
My wife is Japanese and we lived in Japan for 10 years. It’s worse than what we are used to in the West but I feel like this ranking is incorrect. Let’s see who has Japan beaten:
I just asked me wife what she would consider the worse. Being asked to serve tea despite having more experience than a male colleague or being flogged by the police after not covering her hair. Maybe she’s been brainwashed by the Japanese society but she’d rather serve tea than be flogged. Ideally neither but if she had to **rank them**, flogging is worse. But this WEF ranking, from a lobbying NGO [marred in criticism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum#Criticism) is newsworthy, right?
It’s getting real tiring seeing the majority of posts on the feed from this subreddit be a constant bombardment of English articles about how terrible every aspect of Japanese society and culture is. And at the same time ignore objectively positive aspects of the country. I have never felt than living in Japan was bad for me as a woman. Japan is by no means perfect and people here are slowly improving but neither is any country and yet it is /r/Japan where the main narrative is how bad Japan is while other countries reddits at least have a sense of pride.
Do you honestly expect me to accept that Japan is a worse place for women than Indonesia and Malaysia?
Japan prepares shape-shifting Moon rover for launch after Indian success https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/26/japan-shape-shifting-moon-rover-launch/
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I expected bad, but that’s worse than I thought
checks out
Wishing I won’t see nationalists’ idiotic response… By nationalists I mean those who say we’re entitled to choose our own way, we need women to give birth, it’s them who are choosing this, it’s a wrong measure, the system is actually unfair to men, etc.
It’s the WEF who have very Western orientated priorities, I would take anything they say with a grain of salt. Or a lot of salt. Things like Japan consistently ranking one of the safest countries in the world for women or for women to travel alone to is irrelevant in their eyes. While there’s obviously inequality in Japan that needs to be worked on, giving any weight to this is a waste of your time.
What’s new?…
Is this really a surprise
I worked in a Japanese company with 4000+ employees. I don’t know the exact percentage of women there. If I have to guess, probably about 40% are women. Out of several hundred people who were in management positions, not a single woman made to manager and above.
Edit: Didn’t know the difference between woman and female in English until somebody pointed out. Googled it and learned something new today.
Do they rank behind the country that’s trying to take away a woman’s right to have an abortion?
If so, I question the legitimacy of said ranking.
For all the people claiming “this isn’t fair, it’s a different culture”
Pretty much all women here are taught from a very young age to suck it up and just be unhappy. It leads to neurosis and alot of issues.
I’ve lived here awhile. I know a decent amount of people. Alot of women here struggle immensely due to the dual “you need to start a family” but also it’s 2022 and they want to be able to have a job and career.
Even some of the friends I know who become housewives struggle with the notion they could be happily married. I don’t know the exact statistics behind Japanese marriages happening out of a sense of obligation but I suspect it’s a daunting number. It causes problems. The “idea” Japanese family unit is basically a housewife and a dad that’s literally never around. If Japan really is a conservative family value country then it needs to wake up and realize societal pressures are leading to broken and nonfunctional families.
Many people look at gender equality as something that men need to do to “let women in” but in the case of Japan where there’s no religious fundamentalism or extreme cultural stigma, I feel that it’s just as important for men to be “let in” to traditionally reserved for women in order to climb up this ranking.
Men are still expected to earn more, not take paternity leave, and in general be in line with “being a man” or「男らしさ」. You can’t have everyone just take on male roles like it’s somehow the “right” way.
Edit: I would like to hear from those who are downvoting me. I think Japan has already moved beyond basic equality, which is providing the same tools and opportunities, and needs to move on to true equality
Wow…even lower than china…
Education #1
Economic participation #121
Politics participation #139
Japan is an extremist, you’d expect education will boost pretty much everything else, but not here.
But but muh perfect anime land!!!1
Also, in before BUT WHATABOUT MURICA?!??
No kidding, so much for abe being pro women lol
I’ll never forget the only English speaker in the busy international bank was the only woman on a floor staff of about 30 people—and despite her handling the international accounts (the busiest person there), she was expected to keep the coffee/tea area clean and the beverages fresh.
While these rankings simplify things, I think this is pretty accurate.
Hardly surprising. Japan is insanely unequal, women are expected to do everything and then some and get no thanks or time off.
And they wonder why people are leaving and not wanting to have kids🤦♂️
For the few “but it’s hard for men too” comments on here, just think about it for a second. I’m not defending the idea but for the few areas where women are relegated to having any sort of power, do you really think they’ll be soft about it?
Child custody, the interpreting career field, etc.
If that’s your only corner you have, pretty sure most won’t be willing to let go of it.
So stop with that bull. There are exceptions to every situation but YOUR individual experience/situation is not the base model that everything else should work off of.
I can’t believe this needs to still be explained to some people.
Wait, I do actually. We’re all the heroes in our own story and all of that I guess.
wheres the actual list?
They also rank quite “high” (as in, a rather high double-digit position) on the Press Freedom Index…
Japan doesn’t deserve to be a G7 country. Start acting like it for god’s sake.
Can’t wait to hear white male redditors tell us why this is good, actually, and explain to the class that those pesky, scary “feminists” are an American invention so we shouldn’t impose Western morals on anime land.
>Appendix B
>Our aim is to focus on whether the gap between women and men in the chosen indicators has declined, rather than whether women are winning the so-called “battle of the sexes”. Hence, the index rewards countries that reach the point where outcomes for women equal those for men, but it neither rewards nor penalizes cases in which women are outperforming men in particular indicators in some countries. Thus, a country that has higher enrolment for girls rather than boys in secondary school will score equal to a country where boys’ and girls’ enrolment is the same.
Gender “equality” index
is anyone even surprised tbh
I’d love to live in a society where women in management and stay at home dads are equally possible and acceptable.
Hello.
As far as I can see, there are options for women who are lucky enough to be educated in Tokyo and have a six college degree funded by their parents. They can choose to work, they can take maternity leave and have children because large companies often have better welfare than small companies. They can even become housewives on their husbands’ income, as they are often married to men with similar backgrounds and high incomes.
But women who were born in rural areas to poor families and could not afford a high level of education are not given the option in the first place. They have no other ideas than to get married, work together, and have and raise children. Their way of life and the scope of their thinking are no different from those of the Edo period.
There is a disparity even among women.
Used to be 120th. Progress I guess.
why are there so many neckbeards in /r/japan making apologies for this?
Japan is an incredibly patriarchal nation. What’s saddest though is the women just seem to shouganai everything. Why no riots or protests or anything?
Imagine taking the World Economic Forum seriously. They’re just anfry that Japan won’t regulate the doujin comic market.
Its funny because at the same time it is so easy to get rich as a woman here. I live here and my friends that work in cabaret club or girls bar just drinking and talking to clients earn big stacks you couldn’t even imagine that in EU or America.
I have a friend that can go to work for 4h a night and earn all between 1-3000$ not counting presents or bonuses.
As much as there is said inequality, making money as a girl in Japan is super easy.
Source – living in Tokyo
So glad to not be born a Japanese woman. They have it really hard. Even I can sort of get their oppression as I am from a Latin American culture that is very machista but I prefer that over being born an Japanese woman..
Oh I remember the news when there were leaks about a highly regarded med school a few years back. They were prioritizing men who got lower scores even tho there where plenty of women who scored higher on the test. So don’t even talk about “they chose this” cause those women WANTED to become doctors but was denied simply because of their gender. And it is painful when most of my classmates in senior high put “housewives” in their future map thingy that we did even when they also put their dream jobs in, cause that’s “what women do”
Oddly enough, my family damn near hammers into us women that we are *not* to pour tea or do any “women-expected” tasks if we want the men to respect us,no matter what job we would go into.
If we want change, we have to start it ourselves.
But there are a lot of women in Japan who want to be housewives. My friend, a Japanese woman, said she wants to marry a rich man as soon as she graduates from university, quit her job and become a full-time housewife. There are a lot of women in Japan who don’t want to work, so gender equality can never be achieved I think. And I think Japan is becoming a better place for women to work these days. The company I work for, the HR department is actively trying to hire women. Japan’s gender index is not rated highly in the West, but honestly, I don’t know what more is missing.
Except the WEF Gender gap report does not measure Gender gap, it only measures when women are behind and dismiss when they are ahead.
So it’s not a good report to talk about Gender equality…
Gender equality sounds great on the paper but since genders arent exactly equal it usually doesnt work. Overall males die earlier across the world they more likely to torture themself with physically and physiologically also overwork more. As long as women are happy there isn’t a problem if they are then yes something have to be done but straight equality idea wont work.
Looool
Isn’t this why we’re all here in Japan? The rampant, unchecked sexism?
Damn Even eswatini has a higher ranking than Japan? I know gender equality in Japan is not as good as western countries. But getting outranked by a Country where the king that has 15 wives and is allowed to pick a virgin bride every year?
Between biologically male and female ?
My wife is Japanese and we lived in Japan for 10 years. It’s worse than what we are used to in the West but I feel like this ranking is incorrect. Let’s see who has Japan beaten:
* Tajikistan at rank 114. More than [25% of women these experience domestic abuse](https://borgenproject.org/womens-rights-in-tajikistan/)
* Myanmar at rank 106. Had a coup in 2021 where some women are [barred from certain jobs](https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/23/myanmar-coup-women-human-rights-violence-military/)
* Indonesia at rank 92. Muslim country that [disallows women](https://www.smh.com.au/world/aceh-cracks-down-on-women-passengers-20130102-2c5zd.html) to drive a motorbike because it will excite male drivers. Here’s a [video of the morality police harassing women](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxYbN8kAW7Y)
That ranking has lost any credibility. I’ve never seen the police in Japan arresting a women for not wearing a head scarf, then condemning them to be [flogged with a rattan cane](https://nypost.com/2020/01/29/indonesia-province-hires-female-floggers-to-whip-women-who-violate-sharia-law/)
I just asked me wife what she would consider the worse. Being asked to serve tea despite having more experience than a male colleague or being flogged by the police after not covering her hair. Maybe she’s been brainwashed by the Japanese society but she’d rather serve tea than be flogged. Ideally neither but if she had to **rank them**, flogging is worse. But this WEF ranking, from a lobbying NGO [marred in criticism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum#Criticism) is newsworthy, right?
It’s getting real tiring seeing the majority of posts on the feed from this subreddit be a constant bombardment of English articles about how terrible every aspect of Japanese society and culture is. And at the same time ignore objectively positive aspects of the country. I have never felt than living in Japan was bad for me as a woman. Japan is by no means perfect and people here are slowly improving but neither is any country and yet it is /r/Japan where the main narrative is how bad Japan is while other countries reddits at least have a sense of pride.
Do you honestly expect me to accept that Japan is a worse place for women than Indonesia and Malaysia?