Me:
The word 倶楽部 is borrowed from English, as it is a transliteration of the word “club”. Was the suffix 部 already in use in Japanese at the time, or was it adopted later as a contraction of 倶楽部?
ChatGPT:
You are correct that the word 倶楽部 is borrowed from English and is a transliteration of the word “club.” The suffix 部, however, was already in use in Japanese at the time and was not adopted later as a contraction of 倶楽部.
The use of the suffix 部 in Japanese dates back to ancient times and has a long history. It has been used to indicate a part or division of something, such as a group, organization, or system. For example, in the ancient Japanese government system, the central government was divided into different bureaus, each with its own specific responsibilities, and these bureaus were referred to as 部.
So when the word 倶楽部 was introduced to Japan in the late 19th century, it was simply combined with the existing suffix 部 to create the term 倶楽部 (くらぶ), meaning “club.” Therefore, the suffix 部 was not adopted later as a contraction of 倶楽部, but rather, it was already an established part of the Japanese language.
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Looks right to me.
As someone with a history degree, I’m inherently skeptical of anything that says something “dates back to ancient times and has a long history.” That’s so vague and sounds like something a freshman would get points docked for writing. The phrase screams bullshit to me. So regardless of whether or not the information is correct, it’s written in a way that makes it sound sketch as hell from a history pov
Edit:
I spent like 5 minutes Googling and skiming, which is far from sufficient for someone like me with no background in Japanese history, but I did fine [this article](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.waseda.jp/inst/wias/assets/uploads/2017/03/RB008-065-078.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj7vPrgrO79AhUC9DgGHUNzAEAQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xm6jIfDaqVYJbX2sr2BwO) that on page 73 seems to suggest an association between the character 部 and the 部民 (べみん) system in the Yamato period