yeah n1 has nothing to do with fluency so youre right about that
Passing N1 means you graduated from beginner
Assuming you don’t try and practice for the N1 and you can get a high grade I’d take that as a decent indicator of fluency. The issue is people memorize exactly what they need for the test and conflate accomplishment in that with overall success in the language. Just forget about the JLPT altogether.
Don’t stress about how you compare to measures of performance and just focus on understanding the language.
I can “understand” orange star’s music pretty superficially but I only really understand it on a word-for-word sentence-for-sentence basis. I usually don’t understand the deeper meaning behind what they’re actually trying to convey in most of their music. I take that more as a reflection of how bad I am at understanding poetry and shit though. Even in English it’s never been my strong suite.
Fluency- to me – is giving a … about grammar or anything. You simply live the language be it spoken, written, read or listened to. Also understanding accents (completely or partially- I mean I’m a native German speaker and some accents/words are brutal to understand). You can freely navigate through anything without thinking too much about the language but the content.
Well, personally I consider fluency rather as how fluent/smooth someone is. For example, kids are fluent, despite having small vocabulary. So I think it’s quite important at least to split it on vocabulary and practical ability.
On practice it has even bigger variety, because there is a huge amount of individual skills. If you can understand something like poetry, history, specific genres of music, common talk, business side, accents, how fast you can read, if you can write by hand and so on. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not hundreds, but thousands of such small areas. This is why quite often advanced learners consider something like N1 as early stage. Because with N1 you basically train your core and not even all skills, like it doesn’t check your output ability. While it takes ~3-4k hours to pass N1, quite often it would take you 20-40k hours to become more native-like and even then you will find new things to learn.
N1 isnt useful for daily life (vocab + random grammar) and doesn’t particularly test tough listening situations.
No idea what orangestar is, but everyone’s fluency will look slightly different depending on real needs.
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yeah n1 has nothing to do with fluency so youre right about that
Passing N1 means you graduated from beginner
Assuming you don’t try and practice for the N1 and you can get a high grade I’d take that as a decent indicator of fluency. The issue is people memorize exactly what they need for the test and conflate accomplishment in that with overall success in the language. Just forget about the JLPT altogether.
Don’t stress about how you compare to measures of performance and just focus on understanding the language.
I can “understand” orange star’s music pretty superficially but I only really understand it on a word-for-word sentence-for-sentence basis. I usually don’t understand the deeper meaning behind what they’re actually trying to convey in most of their music. I take that more as a reflection of how bad I am at understanding poetry and shit though. Even in English it’s never been my strong suite.
Fluency- to me – is giving a … about grammar or anything. You simply live the language be it spoken, written, read or listened to. Also understanding accents (completely or partially- I mean I’m a native German speaker and some accents/words are brutal to understand). You can freely navigate through anything without thinking too much about the language but the content.
Well, personally I consider fluency rather as how fluent/smooth someone is. For example, kids are fluent, despite having small vocabulary. So I think it’s quite important at least to split it on vocabulary and practical ability.
On practice it has even bigger variety, because there is a huge amount of individual skills. If you can understand something like poetry, history, specific genres of music, common talk, business side, accents, how fast you can read, if you can write by hand and so on. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not hundreds, but thousands of such small areas. This is why quite often advanced learners consider something like N1 as early stage. Because with N1 you basically train your core and not even all skills, like it doesn’t check your output ability. While it takes ~3-4k hours to pass N1, quite often it would take you 20-40k hours to become more native-like and even then you will find new things to learn.
N1 isnt useful for daily life (vocab + random grammar) and doesn’t particularly test tough listening situations.
No idea what orangestar is, but everyone’s fluency will look slightly different depending on real needs.