My boss is a woman, so she gets paid significantly more than I do.
My old job, same position as a few women, we all got paid the same.
I’ve had more woman bosses here than male bosses as well, weird.
On average yes the definitely do, simply because the layers of parasitic management are overwhelmingly populated by men.
On the other hand, no one is getting paid much anyway, so it’s more they get paid slightly more badly.
I met a woman in Tokyo who worked in HR who was earning 20 mil yen a year.
She was working for an American company, though.
You sort of need the context. In Japan, women in management and long-term career track jobs are still relatively rare compared with say the US or UK. For example, in the massive automotive industry, women in management are anywhere from 1% to 8% of the major automakers. That means lower pay. However, within the ranks, women are likely paid fairly (I know, vague) for their job band. Where my wife works, they publish charts showing the range of pay and where employees in a band sit. It’s all quite organized.
*However* then you have maternity leave. Which in Japan is generous at 1 year minimum with possible extensions under circumstances. Now, that does a couple of things. It takes women out of the role for a year. It also may take them out of a peer group or a fast track. For example, let’s say you have a peer group that gets promoted every 3 years. Maternity year doesn’t count. And any part of the year on mat leave doesn’t count. So if you span two years…bye bye raises and you’re stuck in that band + everyone tends to think you are done with pursuing your career.
On top of this is that there are societal and cultural preferences and expectations. I’ve literally had women turn down promotions. Just didn’t want it. Didn’t want the pressure or to be in charge. Some women have told me that basically what they want is a nice job at a nice company with nice people. That’s it. Not really all that much responsibility or leadership development. They were being quite sincere, I assure you. I managed a lot of people for awhile.
So there is are a bunch of structural/social/cultural things that come together.
I work in a private high school with equal salary tables for men and women. My wife works in a public school which also has equal salary tables.
I have never met any Japanese people who have overtly talked to me about their salaries, so I can’t confirm. What I can confirm is that the salary are too low across the board for men, and women.
I have no idea if women are typically given equal pay for equal positions…what I can say is that women with “careers” and not “baito”, part time or contract/temp work are definitely fewer than men, which necessarily means women typically earn less. Yes, it also means women “work” fewer hours. I put work between quotes because this is limited only to paid work…if you consider paid unpaid domestic labor and childcare, I’m relatively certain women tend to do more, haha!
…I say this after i finished my “short” 7 hour work day to start my second shift at home as chauffeur,cook,cleaner,babysitter,laundromat, etc 😂
I like Japan in general, but it sucks to be a woman here sometimes…definitely decades away from equality still here (sigh)
In my previous company, the majority of the management (below the president) were women and thus women in management positions were paid more than men who were below them on the corporate ladder.
While I don’t have any specific numbers, from what I have talked about with coworkers the pay increase was not so significant after moving into the management role (not sure if this was more significant for men or the same as all the coworkers I spoke to were women).
That said, men (even new hires straight out of university with zero experience) were always looked up to and respected more (even by the women in management roles). It always puzzled me why they did this and really made my blood boil when they would put the new male coworker in a leadership position over me when I had years more experience than him. So even if they don’t seem to get paid more money they get a lot more benefits
I would imagine this is the case the world over unfortunately. In the UK it’s 10% less on average. That’s women getting paid 10% less for doing the same job.
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My boss is a woman, so she gets paid significantly more than I do.
My old job, same position as a few women, we all got paid the same.
I’ve had more woman bosses here than male bosses as well, weird.
On average yes the definitely do, simply because the layers of parasitic management are overwhelmingly populated by men.
On the other hand, no one is getting paid much anyway, so it’s more they get paid slightly more badly.
I met a woman in Tokyo who worked in HR who was earning 20 mil yen a year.
She was working for an American company, though.
You sort of need the context. In Japan, women in management and long-term career track jobs are still relatively rare compared with say the US or UK. For example, in the massive automotive industry, women in management are anywhere from 1% to 8% of the major automakers. That means lower pay. However, within the ranks, women are likely paid fairly (I know, vague) for their job band. Where my wife works, they publish charts showing the range of pay and where employees in a band sit. It’s all quite organized.
*However* then you have maternity leave. Which in Japan is generous at 1 year minimum with possible extensions under circumstances. Now, that does a couple of things. It takes women out of the role for a year. It also may take them out of a peer group or a fast track. For example, let’s say you have a peer group that gets promoted every 3 years. Maternity year doesn’t count. And any part of the year on mat leave doesn’t count. So if you span two years…bye bye raises and you’re stuck in that band + everyone tends to think you are done with pursuing your career.
On top of this is that there are societal and cultural preferences and expectations. I’ve literally had women turn down promotions. Just didn’t want it. Didn’t want the pressure or to be in charge. Some women have told me that basically what they want is a nice job at a nice company with nice people. That’s it. Not really all that much responsibility or leadership development. They were being quite sincere, I assure you. I managed a lot of people for awhile.
So there is are a bunch of structural/social/cultural things that come together.
I work in a private high school with equal salary tables for men and women. My wife works in a public school which also has equal salary tables.
I have never met any Japanese people who have overtly talked to me about their salaries, so I can’t confirm. What I can confirm is that the salary are too low across the board for men, and women.
I have no idea if women are typically given equal pay for equal positions…what I can say is that women with “careers” and not “baito”, part time or contract/temp work are definitely fewer than men, which necessarily means women typically earn less. Yes, it also means women “work” fewer hours. I put work between quotes because this is limited only to paid work…if you consider paid unpaid domestic labor and childcare, I’m relatively certain women tend to do more, haha!
…I say this after i finished my “short” 7 hour work day to start my second shift at home as chauffeur,cook,cleaner,babysitter,laundromat, etc 😂
I like Japan in general, but it sucks to be a woman here sometimes…definitely decades away from equality still here (sigh)
In my previous company, the majority of the management (below the president) were women and thus women in management positions were paid more than men who were below them on the corporate ladder.
While I don’t have any specific numbers, from what I have talked about with coworkers the pay increase was not so significant after moving into the management role (not sure if this was more significant for men or the same as all the coworkers I spoke to were women).
That said, men (even new hires straight out of university with zero experience) were always looked up to and respected more (even by the women in management roles). It always puzzled me why they did this and really made my blood boil when they would put the new male coworker in a leadership position over me when I had years more experience than him.
So even if they don’t seem to get paid more money they get a lot more benefits
I would imagine this is the case the world over unfortunately. In the UK it’s 10% less on average. That’s women getting paid 10% less for doing the same job.