Understanding when to extend a vowel vs adding a U

Hi all! I’ve embarked on learning Japanese and am having difficulty with the “U” vowel in Hiragana. I understand the tsu in both katakana and hiragana.

There are some words with a “U” and others that extend a vowel (Otoosan). When do you add the letter “U” in the word versus extending the vowel? Or do you never add the letter “U”?

Thanks in advance. :]

5 comments
  1. It’s おと**う**さん (oto**u**san), not おと**お**さん (oto**o**san).

    When a う follows an お sound, the お sound is lengthened to two mora.

  2. The long お sound is usually spelled by adding う, but in a few words it is spelled by adding お instead. There is no logical pattern, so you will just need to learn these one by one. Fortunately there are only a handful of these exceptions that you will need to know as a beginner.

    When writing in romaji, the correct spelling depends on which [romanization system](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Japanese) you are using.

    As I understand it, words with the おお spelling in modern Japanese were previously pronounced “owo” (and even earlier, “ofo” and “opo”), before the language’s sounds shifted to their current form.

  3. > There are some words with a “U” and others that extend a vowel (Otoosan)

    It’s spelt おとうさん (o-to-u-sa-n), with a u. おとおさん is not correct, despite some textbooks using a romanisation system that spell it o-to-o-sa-n. One reason to ditch romaji as soon as possible.

    > When do you add the letter “U” in the word versus extending the vowel?

    If the word is not on [this list](https://i.imgur.com/yyZhwIK.jpg) ([source](https://www.kyoiku-shuppan.co.jp/textbook/chuu/kokugo/guidanceq013-00.html)), just assume it uses う and you will be right 99% of the time.

  4. there’s no rule, some words have it and some don’t. おお is much rarer than おう but it’s still a matter of memorization. definitely get away from romaji as quickly as possible so that O with a macron over it will cease being unclear.

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