SRS Review Intervals: Theoretical Interval Length vs. Real Interval Length / When should you take cards out of review because you already “know” them?

This is something that’s been bugging me for a very long time:

Theoretically an SRS algorithm like the one Anki uses (SM-2) presents cards to you around the time you might struggle to remember the card. Over time those intervals become longer and longer. In theory, extending the review intervals extends how long you will remember the fact tested. For vocabulary cards, though, odds are you will also encounter words *outside* of Anki. Thus your actual review intervals are shorter than Anki’s interval.

For most vocabulary it’s useful to review when you start learning a given word; except for the very most frequently used words, the word won’t naturally occur frequently enough to get reviewed before there’s a significant chance of forgetting. So early on, there’s a clear boost to new vocabulary retention by using some kind-of review method, SRS or otherwise.

However, in theory, at some point the natural frequency of a words occurrence will be greater than the cards interval in the SRS. At that point, there’s theoretically no need for SRS review and, for the sake of streamlining review, you might as well take those cards out of active review. I actually never put the first 500 or so words I learned into SRS and while I did eventually forget many of them and later make cards for them, many of them I didn’t. (E.g. I never had need to make a card for 日本語) They occur so often there was no need for review.

However, in practice, I haven’t regularly taken cards out of review so I’ve noticed that sometimes I *do* fail cards with long intervals, sometimes even year+ long intervals. I think often the failure comes from slight mistakes, e.g. instead of 順調(じゅんちょう;favorable)remembering じゅんちょ as the reading, maybe I made this mistake once encountering a word outside of Anki and not bothering to check I read it correctly. If I made a small mistake like that when the Anki cards interval was already pretty long, I probably practiced and reinforced that mistake for some time before the card finally came back around; I was convinced I knew the word, but actually I was mistaken.

Natural occurrence intervals for vocabulary won’t nicely expand like Anki intervals: there are likely to be bursts where you see a word often for a period of time, then rarely see it for a while afterwards. Those breaks between frequently seeing a word may be punctuated by some Anki reviews as well. However, if you have a card with an interval of 356 days, but you happened to see the word in the news a month ago, the real effective interval is a month, not a year. Your next Anki interval will be a year and a half or so, but if you don’t see that card outside of Anki, your review after a one month gap isn’t really preparing you for the next year+ long interval between reviews.

But what should I do in a situation like that? Let’s say I actually *failed* to recall that word when I read it in the news, but when it comes up in Anki I can recall it because I looked it up after I saw it in the news a month ago. Should I fail the card to decrease the interval? If it’s been a month since I looked the word up, though, I may not even remember that I’d looked the word up, though. Either way, I remember it now, but I may not be likely to remember it in over a year. Even in the case I remembered the word at the last encounter, the Anki review interval has becoming greatly disconnected from the actual practical review interval at which I encounter the word.

When I started writing this post, I thought I was going to be talking about how actual review intervals become erratic because of the interplay between Anki reviews and seeing a word outside of Anki. But maybe the actual conclusion I should draw is that real world exposure to vocabulary is sporadic and after the very first round of reviews (say interval is less than or equal to a month or so) the disconnect between Anki review intervals and the actual interval between encountering the word, whether inside or outside of Anki, becomes so great that I should just suspend those cards and add a new card if I see the word again and fail to recall it. On the other hand, having long interval cards around, even for words I regularly see outside of Anki does seem to be useful in providing a more rigorous test of knowledge than I might apply when I’m just reading or listening to Japanese. So maybe there’s value to keeping them longer, though clearly at some point as the review interval becomes multiple years long, it’s definately going to become redundant.

I am unable to draw good conclusions. Even though SRS flashcard intervals eventually become disconnected from actual exposure intervals, I certainly can’t think of any better, practical way to review vocabulary. Even though theoretically it seems like I should be able to suspend long-interval cards without effect on my retention rate, I still catch some mistakes by reviewing long-interval cards. I wonder if anybody else has ever thought about these kinds of things and has reached a more tangible conclusion that I have been able to.

Edit:

Let me add one practical piece of advice: if you read this and decide you want to suspend some Anki cards the search filter to use to find cards with an interval larger than 356 days is:

prop:ivl>365

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5 comments
  1. >But what should I do in a situation like that? Let’s say I actually failed to recall that word when I read it in the news, but when it comes up in Anki I can recall it because I looked it up after I saw it in the news a month ago. Should I fail the card to decrease the interval?

    No. you are trying to make everything gtoo complex by compensating for imperfections in the process of language learning. But if you try to do this for all cards and you are immersing a lot you will have Avery hard time when you have 10000 or 20000 words because then you are going to start failing words like 行く because you saw it today. But you saw it today because you see it every day when you are immersing enough. You don’t need to fail these words. You know them. And it doesn’t matter whether you know it because you remembered it or you know it because you checked it in the dictionary recently. You still know it. So you see actually the problem is you are just thinking about it all too much. If you get a card in your anki and you guess it correctly you should pass it. Even if it has a two year interval and you saw the word in your news reading yesterday. Just pass the card and and don’t think about it again. It is only a card. The real words are in your immersion. So Keep it simple and immerse a lot. The words will be acquired.

  2. I don’t think there is a lot we can do with “outside interference” (I’m not sure that is the correct term and confusingly there are other types of “intereference” around SRS.

    Personally, I try to grade consistently so would ignore any outside encounters. Another approach is to try to manually adjust grades if you remember a recent encounter in the wild; difficult to be consistent and another friction when studying.

    https://supermemopedia.com/index.php?title=Repetition_history_and_outside_interference

    I think SM-17 began tracking each individual “element” (adjusting the algorithm of each card?). So MIGHT be more effective dealing with interference. “Unlike all prior versions of the algorithm, Algorithm SM-17 requires a full record of repetition history for all items”

    https://super-memory.com/archive/help17/smalg.htm

  3. Obligatory “the amount of time spent on overthinking all this would be better spent on actually learning more Japanese”.

    Don’t know why beginners like to over complicate everything. Sometimes I wonder if they actually want to learn the language or to type out white papers on why they aren’t learning as fast as they expected.

  4. > Even though SRS flashcard intervals eventually become disconnected from actual exposure intervals, I certainly can’t think of any better, practical way to review vocabulary.

    Just do the anki cards and read more.

    You will waste more time trying to find the best way to minmax this than if you just didn’t worry about it in the first place.

  5. It doesn’t matter much, the more reviews you have, the better your ability to recall becomes. The idea of SRS is that 10 reviews over prolonged period like a year is better than 10 reviews in a single day. But 12-15-20 reviews over a year is even better than both. Most of tools like Anki aim at time efficiency, so instead of doing double-triple amount of reviews for some extra 20-30% improvement, it’s better to do something else, like to learn new words instead.

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